3-7-2012, rev. 7-31-2024
For all the talk and trouble water in the gasoline causes--far worse with e10--to me it's rather conspicuous by its absence that neither owners nor builders ever took a serious look at vent filters. Cars have had sealed tanks fitted with both pressure controls and filters since 1971. I considered this a few times--I've installed very large descant traps on very large chemical tanks--but figured if it was so against the conventional wisdom in the boating community, it couldn't be right. Funny.... That's not like me.
In a prior post I began a discussion of some testing for Practical Sailor. We've got two test boats going at this time. I've started monitoring the humidity inside and outside. Yup, it's drier inside the tank, after filtration. We expect some positives that should add up to a good value proposition for the owner:
- Drier gas/fuel.
- Less evaporation, to the tune of $8-$12/year. The unit should last ~ 10 years without service, so that will nearly pay for it.
- Less loss of volatiles means better starting, particularly in cold weather.
- Less loss of volatiles means better resistance to phase separation/emulsion blobs. I have only been able to recreate true phase separation from atmospheric absorption if the ethanol evaporates after it is saturated, and I've tried many combinations. This is why we generally only see it in carbs (they're small).
- Less loss of volatiles mean less gum formation (better solvency).
- Less loss of volatiles is good for the environment. Yes, that counts.
- Less oxygen (less convection, more vapor space) means less gum formation.
But can we demonstrate how this actually effects the fuel over time on a small scale, in a controlled manner? Calculations only go so far, since water condensation and absorption, differential evaporation, and fuel oxidation work together in complex ways. Science project time.
Actually, both carbon and silica gel are both adsorbents that pull water and organic vapors from the air. Silica gel (the packs you find in with your new DVD player) has a high affinity for water, while carbon has a high affinity for organic vapors. However, both adsorb reversibly; that is, if exposed to high temperatures and either clean air, or an excess of something else, they release what they have previously adsorbed. Carbon can be flushed by water vapor and air, while silica gel can be flushed with hydrocarbon and air. Both should have the effect of keeping the tank drier and reducing evaporation, adsorbing and desorbing with each day/night breathing cycle. Both should reduce oxygen in the tank. But how much?
Results in the fall. The long version will be in Practical Sailor.These things can't be rushed. I expect we are going to find the improvements are small and that a sailor won't "feel" any difference. But his engine will start a little easier, he'll buy a little less gas, and have a few less problems. The math works, it just won't bring instant gratification, not like $100 spent on some bit of deck hardware would bring. More like the "pay me now, or pay me later" benefit of changing the oil;
But meanwhile, like the holding tank vent filter that I installed (and am very pleased with), I've installed a carbon vent filter on Shoal Survivor gas tank and I'm not planning on taking it off.
Note for the spelling or technically obsessed: sometimes I say absorb, and sometimes I say adsorb; both are correct. Alcohol absorbs water. Silica gel adsorbs water. The mechanism is very different and the reversibility is very different. This is the reason adsorbents are so useful.
Drew, I am very interested in the results from this. One of the big bugaboos in the diesel world is accumulation of water in the bottom of the tank. This water enables bacteria which eat diesel to live at the interface between the water and the diesel - bacteria whose corpses then clog filters and/or damage injector pumps. And the bacterial action makes the water acid (I believe) which then fosters corrosion of the tank in the water layer.
ReplyDeleteMost of the time (in the US anyway), the source of the water found in the bottom of diesel tanks is condensation resulting from the tank breathing thru day/nite and summer/winter cycles.
Preventing this condensation would be a Very Big Thing (c) indeed...
bob
s/v Eolian
Seattle
In fact, I am so convinced of the utility even before the results of your test that I must ask:
ReplyDeleteCan you recommend a dessicant cartridge/package/device that would be suitable for installation on my fuel vent lines?
bob
s/v Eolian
Seattle
Exactly true, though what I posted is focused on gasoline. However, the article began out of interest in this product:
ReplyDeletehttp://h2out.com/products/h2out-avd/h2out-avd3-0
There is a smaller size, but bigger is better. This is the only commercially available product at this time. There are some products for industrial apps that are close, but the price is similar. I've tested this one and it seems sturdy.
If it were me, for diesel (NOT GASOLINE--PVC is no good), I would consider home-built. You can get silica gel at the local craft store or even the grocery store ("crystal" cat litter--I've tested it). I would build a holder just like my holding tank vent filter, except 18-inches long that would hold ~ 1 liter of silica gel. With that volume, it should be self-regenerating. Instructions are in this post:
http://sail-delmarva.blogspot.com/2011/04/holding-tank-vent-filter.html
Be certain to locate it such that neither water nor fuel can enter the filter, and that any resin that might leak out will NOT fall in the fuel tank.
The article is already pushing 20 pages. Fascinating subject. I don't know how I will trim it to size. I think I won't... or it will be part 1,2,3.
I suppose this one is too small...
ReplyDeleteYes, I think it's too small. I would want at least 5/8" fittings and 500 ml silica gel. While it certainly seems vent filters are over priced (they are), if even a little undersize it won't last as long and the possibility of spit-back during filling increases (air can't get out the vent.
ReplyDeleteThe H2OUT filter is well made and should last the life of the boat. Get the larger size and it should go years between refills.
And I don't trust Harbor Freight.
This might work:
AGM Desiccant Filters, 1-800-995-5590
http://www.agmcontainer.com/drum_desiccant_breathers/pdfs/Drum%20Vent%20Dryers.pdf
And this, for race cars (though it's too small).
ATL racing, 800-526-5330
TF629 $153.80 ATL "DryCell" Desiccant Drier
http://www.atlinc.com/racing.html